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what's up everybody happy tuesday

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uh hope your week is going all right

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mine is going pretty well it's a busy

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week i got a lot going on i got i'm

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doing shows every day and we had the

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nuap secrecy event on friday um that i'm

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super excited about it's coming up

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pretty fast

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um

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so a lot's going on for me and for the

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uap world for sure

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um i believe i was talking to frankel a

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little bit

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and he may even have a little insight on

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why the uh science advisory committee

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wasn't included

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in the amendment so

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i'm looking forward to hearing about

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that

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and just talking to him in general seems

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like a great guy super knowledgeable um

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we're gonna have a great chat and i'm

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just gonna play a little opener as i

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usually do

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and we'll be back for a

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[Music]

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so yeah i can't promote that enough

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gotta make sure people come and watch

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right uh so without further ado i'm

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going to

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bring in the man the myth the legend mr

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frick milburn how are you sir hey buddy

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it's good to be here how you doing

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pretty good yeah i'm i'm super happy

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that you're that you're on here and we

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can chat so how's your week been so far

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uh it's been okay it's been okay um but

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yeah i'm very happy to be here and i

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thank you very much for the invite

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oh man it's my pleasure yeah i saw

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um you were real sweet and said

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something nice about the article that

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christopher and i wrote for liberation

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times

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um and his site's just kicking butt too

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so

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um you know i'm always happy when when

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somebody says something like that

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because you probably know just as much

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as i do when you put in so much work and

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you know a little bit of recognition

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goes a long way

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for your um just for your attitude and

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determination so

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i really like those pieces i like your

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piece um i like christopher's pieces and

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i like the piece that bob pliskin did as

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well on um on signatures because you

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know there's the

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the uap topic i mean it's taken off

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phenomenally in terms of some really

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really good analysts podcasters bloggers

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and just contributors in general um but

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when you come across pieces like that

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and when i came across the liberation

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times website i was like wow like i want

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to be referencing um some of these

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articles because these guys are doing

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really deep dives and also that indian

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ufo researcher talking about um you know

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that the cultural differences that could

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lead um you know to uap causing a war

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between india and pakistan so

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that that's i mean i've looked at the

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india pakistan issue for for for kind of

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quite a few years but it was only

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that i got on top of the the fact that

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uap might cause them to have a nuclear

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exchange and then with this guy deep

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diving on the cultural aspects was

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really fascinating on top of that

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yeah they have a very interesting

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relationship uh that's for sure and you

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know it

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seems like a tinderbox at times

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definitely with different influences

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coming in and out you know

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um so that that could be dangerous for

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sure it you know

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and that's kind of along the same lines

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why it can be dangerous for us and china

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or russia and sending off the wrong

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uh you know alarms when it may not be

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any you know anything either of us have

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you know look go ahead sorry i don't

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know i was just going to say i'm just

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going to add in um

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john alexander's book colonel john

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alexander ufos uh realities myths and

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conspiracies he actually visited norad

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um you know when he was a colonel and uh

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he he survived so what about the ufos

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and the guys even oh you mean like you

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know the the truck those tracks so they

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were already trying to filter them out

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have a

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you know misidentification

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i think it's air material command or

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whatever is you know taking over that

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whole ufo study back in the 50s

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the radar tracks have always been the

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whether but they never really you know

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they admit it's a real phenomenon and

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they don't know what it is otherwise

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it's a balloon or like angels they call

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them like birds insects or whatever or

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any of that stuff you know um but

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whatever they pick

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enough cases that don't fit the

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fit the bill for those things you know

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it norad i would be super interested in

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learning more about them i'm just

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starting to see them on some documents

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out of blue book um which is pretty

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interesting

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um but how about you where did you start

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with um

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you know uaps and ufos i understand you

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served in iraq so thank you very much

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for that service and i'm sure you've

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done it

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yeah small part compared to a lot of

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people but um yeah

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with it i mean i i've got books like

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that that my ideas and my parents had

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like in the 1960s um like you know um

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sanderson uninvited visitors those types

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of things um serious ufo books um but i

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was really brought up with it and then

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i in the military as well that piqued my

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after that i kind of like left it alone

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couple or a couple of books a year on it

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and then it was kind of um

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2000 i i really kind of started getting

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back into it and um you know the rest is

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history really since

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new york times

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info really and just accumulating

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knowledge but then i got really really

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into it and then it took me about a year

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to write the first paper uh in terms of

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from having a concept to do it and then

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i was like no no wait because there's

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more stuff that's going to come out and

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then i picked the right time to do it

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and that was really it and i haven't

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chapters or times they've come in some

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like six years old and ever since or

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some people have just naturally been

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became interested during like the

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lockdowns of coronavirus and everything

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you know what was your what was here

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kind of did have you had an experience

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of really ready to go on that on the

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record with it i'll be happy to talk

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about it with you off the record um

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my mom's an experiencer

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that's like you know missing time

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the whole the whole kind of works um

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i've had missing time but um i'll be

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happy to talk about off the record i'm

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just not ready ready to go out there

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with it yet

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completely respect that yeah but not

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nothing horrible just you know some some

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experiences were a bit weird and and uh

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other ones were kind of weird but but

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maybe pleasant no belonging

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yeah i've just had really one major one

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aware of that stuff then you start

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noticing other things and you're like

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the show a little bit about um

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the gila brand amendment

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which is awesome um that it looks like

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it's going to pass maybe even signed

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today possibly i'm not sure but they

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aspect like project galileo

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just getting you know his take on

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various things either on or off the

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record and other people as well on

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friday's unidentified celebrity view we

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um debating this very thing about the

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aerial and trans media phenomena

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advisory committee and why it was left

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um and what was the significance of it

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and some of us thought well okay

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they didn't attach too much significance

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to it but i actually believe that uh

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that there is a significance attached to

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included and that's because uh as i'll

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go into i'll give the quote in a minute

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but shall i just quickly run through

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what i think

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why people would get upset about it

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perhaps at dod

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and i'm on par with you i mean you'll

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probably have a lot more to say about it

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but you know having lou and melon

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involved possibly from project galileo

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there this is um because i wanted to get

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i wanted to get a quote from somebody

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else apart from chris because i asked i

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asked him originally and i said um are

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you and lou there's going to be three

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slots for galileo project right so are

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he's like oh well he's been kid just

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like well it's a bit early to tell but i

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that they would get it and they'd be the

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not scientists well i mean actually lou

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does have a science background but uh

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they would be perfect um but then the

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quote that i got from somebody else

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who's a dod insider and they're well um

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they're well acquainted with the process

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of what's been going on with gillibrand

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arrangement and they said uh and i quote

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the likely participation of elizondo and

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melon did not help right as in to get

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the amendment uh to get that subsection

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in they said

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um they as in do a dod would have

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objected regardless for several reasons

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they feared press leaks and security

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issues and generally don't like um and

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generally don't welcome more oversight

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in any case that was the quote and i

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mean you can see why because you know

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people think oh well it's just like a

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scientific advisory committee but if you

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actually look at the the small print it

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says advising the office and the

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execution of the duties of the office as

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provided by the subsection and

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advising the director regarding the

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gathering and analysis of data and

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scientific research and development

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pertaining to unidentified aerial

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phenomena so if you're going to advise

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regarding the gathering and analysis of

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data that means that you're going to

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have to have some knowledge of the

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process right and some knowledge of the

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platforms that are producing the data

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because you've got to advise someone how

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to best use your resources effectively

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so i could see how having um you know

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sort of 20 members from uh nasa from

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galileo from um

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um

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and you know and others and and from you

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know scu i could i could imagine that

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dod wouldn't want that at all it's just

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another layer of oversight effectively

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right right yeah and yeah definitely uh

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more places to for things to leak and

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information to get out and

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in the wrong hands because let's face it

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like as much as we want the information

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to come out there's still probably

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you know security risks involved with

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how they gathered the data and

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everything i would imagine so

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oh absolutely and i mean so i think some

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of the i mean it'll be some of the

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platforms like you it says

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no individual may be appointed to the

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committee

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unless the secretary director jointly

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determined the individual one qualifies

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for security clearance at the secret

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level or higher so if you're going to

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look at platforms you're probably

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talking minimum top secret to be able to

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know about those platforms right right

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and their capabilities so yeah but i

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think the security issue i mean that's

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why you have that's why you have

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security clearances but i can see dod

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using that as a reason um but you know

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you're right i mean people kind of uh

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sort of maybe slightly maligned me

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because i've always taken the line that

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um you know yeah disclosure is you know

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a positive aspect and i welcome it and

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i'm as interested as the next person but

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i've always been very kind of like you

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know from my first paper

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you can't just like open the hangar

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doors and just let it all hang out in

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the wind you know you have to be very

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very prescient of like the national

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security imperatives now i know there's

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a lot of people who just like they just

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want to do away with all of that but um

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you know realistically can't in the

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world that we live in

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yeah especi especially if there we do

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have any of the technology or anything

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like that i would imagine things start

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to get pretty dicey at that point but

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you know

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for as long as you've been investigating

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it there's

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as far as releasing things to the public

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there aren't older things that they

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could share whether it be an old you

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know video

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from from a jet from the 90s or 80s or

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something that you know that uses maybe

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outdated technology that's yeah not as

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important anymore i don't know what the

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case is there but

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you know i would think so

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but

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um

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he was talking about uh he's saying okay

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well i can talk about this because it's

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um it's been released the public and

392
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it's an outdated platform when he was

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talking about you know sats so yeah i

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mean i don't see why they couldn't do

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that like old uh you know aircraft

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sensing technology and all type of ford

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looking into infrared that's now

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obsolete for example an old radar an old

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satellite

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yeah i mean for goodness sakes i think

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there's

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public video of different clips of

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you know that whether they're chasing

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another jet or

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you know doing practice runs or

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something i'm pretty sure

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you know i've seen other kinds of videos

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online of older you know machines or

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or jets or what have you but

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you know it's some of the things that we

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may not know until we know you know

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what whatever that is but um

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you know and melon even said i think uh

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on his podcast with uh max

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moskowicz

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where it was him lou and avi he said

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he was pretty sure or he knows that they

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have other videos like the ones they

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released like the tic tac and gimbal

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um that could just as well be released

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at this point so

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you know i on the one hand i hate that

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he says that because it's a tease but on

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the other

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you know and when lou says there's 23

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minute video sometimes i i look at that

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as

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them kind of saying publicly to whoever

429
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is involved with this stuff like i know

430
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what kind of poker hand you're dealing

431
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with i've seen it you know

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it's so

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so let it out there and play it um

434
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and your experience sorry go ahead yeah

435
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well i was just gonna say in your

436
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experience

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you know what kind of

438
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how complicated is that process really

439
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if they wanted to do something like that

440
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what to do to disclose more more info

441
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yeah more videos or information or

442
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something maybe from technology that's

443
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outdated or even you know something like

444
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the

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2004 incident or two incident was it

446
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yeah i mean that would probably be a

447
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little bit too too too too close in the

448
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recent past um but i mean even if you

449
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were talking about something for the 60s

450
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or the 70s i mean okay so you're not

451
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going to damage american capabilities

452
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because you're showing like an outdated

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platform and its capabilities

454
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effectively but you know maybe if they

455
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shot something that was really really

456
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interesting that shows you know without

457
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doubt that it's extraterrestrial or

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whatever they'd have a problem with that

459
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um as in you know non-human non-human

460
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origin craft right

461
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i always say i i don't know because i

462
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don't have access to

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the relevant information to be able to

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make a determination of what would be

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you know against national security or

466
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not um and i know a lot of people are

467
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going to say oh well you know these guys

468
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just want to hang on to info as long as

469
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they can but um you know whenever you

470
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release documents or imagery or whatever

471
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it is um it has to go through like a

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process to make sure that there is no

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way that it can compromise you know

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current operations sources methods

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and

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so what do you think do you think these

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are uh extraterrestrial or do you have

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any hypothesis

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i i mean i i really keep an open mind i

480
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mean it's so good yes

481
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yeah i mean

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it's like a fruit salad for me i mean

483
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i've been talking recently to people

484
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about um you know future humans

485
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am i i asked this question i mean in my

486
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first paper to colonel john alexander i

487
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mean he spent a lot of time camped out a

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skin walker he spent a lot of time you

489
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know before pre-needs days and he spent

490
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a lot of time with his um um you know at

491
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the pentagon trying to figure out uh you

492
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know what ufo were and you know who was

493
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behind them and i asked him i said well

494
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is it like ultra terrestrial is it extra

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dimensional interdimensional is it time

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travel or is it et

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um and he's like well you know yes no

498
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maybe you know all of the above you know

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could be a combination thereof you know

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time travelling et's time travelling

501
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interdimensionals i don't know

502
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right yeah that's kind of the trickiest

503
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part and even in that report they they

504
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had hinted that there was multiple types

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of phenomena so and to me that's just

506
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not the way you talk about you know a

507
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foreign adversary tech or your own tech

508
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is multiple phenomena

509
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you know that's just not

510
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that's just not how it goes and all the

511
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documents that i've read what whatever

512
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they're referring to phenomena it's

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either

514
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it's usually just scientific you know or

515
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like a geomagnetic phenomena or

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something

517
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it's never

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you know has to do with uh human tech

519
00:18:44,950 --> 00:18:43,200
yeah you know yeah and it wouldn't make

520
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much sense either to

521
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put it all you know out there publicly

522
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um if they knew it was foreign tech

523
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saying that they don't know what it is

524
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yeah i mean i'm sure you know some of it

525
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can be um

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i mean there's a very good you know

527
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article

528
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some very good pieces from you know from

529
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the war zone right uh

530
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talking about you know the possibility

531
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you know drones and i mean there's no

532
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reason why you know drones could not be

533
00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:09,679
confused for uap sure um but i think now

534
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that they you know they've drilled it

535
00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:11,919
down they've got the capabilities to be

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able to tell what is a drone and what

537
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isn't a drone um yeah and i think even

538
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though the um you know the odni report

539
00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:21,039
in june it you know it was pretty pretty

540
00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:23,039
clear they couldn't figure out what the

541
00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:24,240
things were that they were looking at i

542
00:19:27,669 --> 00:19:26,480
mean they were unexplained right um you

543
00:19:29,430 --> 00:19:27,679
know there was only one case where they

544
00:19:30,789 --> 00:19:29,440
could actually explain it um out of the

545
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ones that they looked at

546
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so

547
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interesting yeah yeah but then again you

548
00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:36,080
know would they really say

549
00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:37,200
would they really want to say that

550
00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:39,679
there's some kind of like advanced um

551
00:19:42,549 --> 00:19:41,440
chinese tech that's penetrating u.s

552
00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:42,559
airspace they probably wouldn't would

553
00:19:46,070 --> 00:19:44,400
they

554
00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:46,080
no yeah because that could be a little

555
00:19:49,990 --> 00:19:47,200
sense of mess

556
00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:50,000
hysteria you know so to speak a little

557
00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:52,480
bit as well you know but what are you

558
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trying

559
00:19:57,669 --> 00:19:55,360
what are your thoughts on the origins of

560
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of of you know the intelligences behind

561
00:19:59,830 --> 00:19:58,960
the craft

562
00:20:01,830 --> 00:19:59,840
yes

563
00:20:03,430 --> 00:20:01,840
in general well you know it's funny i

564
00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:03,440
don't know that anyone's ever asked me

565
00:20:07,510 --> 00:20:05,039
that

566
00:20:09,190 --> 00:20:07,520
i think um

567
00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:09,200
kind of more along the lines of what you

568
00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:11,360
say you know there could be

569
00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:13,360
a smorgasbord or a fruit salad of

570
00:20:15,909 --> 00:20:14,720
different things going on most

571
00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:15,919
definitely

572
00:20:20,230 --> 00:20:18,400
um what

573
00:20:22,630 --> 00:20:20,240
you know mike in my experience and what

574
00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:22,640
i've experienced um

575
00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:24,880
you know i didn't see a craft and what i

576
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:26,960
saw was pretty up close

577
00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:29,520
um so i don't know what that means if it

578
00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:32,000
was covered in whatever this stuff is

579
00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:33,280
that i saw

580
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:35,200
or if it's

581
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:37,840
you know um has nothing to do with being

582
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:39,440
a physical thing

583
00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:41,840
i'm not sure you know um and then you

584
00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:44,480
have abductions which are so

585
00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:45,360
you know

586
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:46,720
real

587
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:49,840
you know um and what they are is kind of

588
00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:51,520
unknown are they

589
00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:53,200
something the phenomenon wants you to

590
00:20:57,510 --> 00:20:55,760
see is it some sort of control system or

591
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:57,520
is it what it is

592
00:21:01,590 --> 00:20:58,559
um

593
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:01,600
so you can't i can't really say what it

594
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:04,320
is and it's funny because

595
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:06,000
for the most part

596
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:07,440
i'm the kind of guy that thinks the

597
00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:09,120
government doesn't really

598
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:12,400
know 100 what it is either

599
00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:16,390
but that could be the case where you

600
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:19,440
know uh let's say they got a craft or in

601
00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:21,840
bodies or whatever

602
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:23,919
um

603
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:25,679
but if those things are that much more

604
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:28,240
advanced than us would they still really

605
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:30,400
have the same capabilities now

606
00:21:34,390 --> 00:21:32,000
you know they would probably be even

607
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:34,400
more advanced and maybe more complicated

608
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:37,520
to figure out than it was at the start

609
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:38,720
um

610
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:40,240
who knows but i do know there's

611
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:43,360
something that's for sure

612
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:46,480
and it almost seems like it's on purpose

613
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:48,640
as far as like just being out of our

614
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:51,120
grasp you know i've also noticed that

615
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:53,520
the technology or whatever is always

616
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:55,200
just like a little bit ahead of what our

617
00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:57,280
capabilities are

618
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:59,200
yeah so if you're in 1930s it kind of

619
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:01,039
has rivets and bolts and you know kind

620
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:03,039
of advances or if it's the 1870s it's

621
00:22:07,350 --> 00:22:05,120
like air ships isn't that kind of

622
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:07,360
yeah that's a that's exactly right

623
00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:09,840
airships yeah um

624
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:12,960
we didn't have that capability yeah um

625
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:14,559
and i always say too like if flying

626
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:16,159
saucer came you know if somebody

627
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:17,600
actually saw like a

628
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:20,159
quote-unquote the like legit flying

629
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:22,559
saucer iconic flank saucer that we see

630
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:25,520
it would look like a hot rod so to speak

631
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:27,919
you know look like like a classic car

632
00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:30,640
like a mid-century automobile

633
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:32,720
it wouldn't make as much sense

634
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:35,679
um so i'd maybe there's a part to this

635
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:36,960
you know where there's a little

636
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:39,200
manipulation going on to where you know

637
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:41,440
we see what would make most sense to us

638
00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:42,960
too

639
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:44,720
that's a very good point um

640
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:46,640
and you know i often wonder i mean and i

641
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:48,559
don't denigrate anybody's experiences at

642
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,400
talk because i've had had experiences

643
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:52,799
but you know i often wonder

644
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:54,400
if say you're

645
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:55,760
you know you're on your own and you'll

646
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:57,679
see outside you see a uap are you

647
00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:58,960
actually seeing something or is it

648
00:23:01,510 --> 00:23:00,240
something that's projected in your brain

649
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:01,520
are you actually seeing what's there or

650
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:03,200
not i mean at least with the nimitz case

651
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:04,720
and other cases like that okay it's seen

652
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:06,640
on multiple different radars it's seen

653
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:08,880
with the mark one eyeball by you know uh

654
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:11,760
pilots and backseaters um it's seen by

655
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:14,320
you know hawkeye right in the air so and

656
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:16,480
it was probably actually seen from um

657
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:18,960
uh radars along the coast right in san

658
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:22,320
diego as well so you know that that i

659
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:23,600
would say yeah it's a physical craft

660
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,760
it's not a projection of some

661
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:27,120
into your imagination because it's been

662
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:29,360
seen on systems and by humans i mean

663
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:30,799
it'd have to be some pretty crazy

664
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:32,559
spoofing technology if it was spoofing

665
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:34,880
your brain and uh you know radars and

666
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:36,640
sensors at the same time

667
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:37,440
yeah

668
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:39,120
so i don't know i mean some some of the

669
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:40,799
things you know really astound me uh

670
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:42,000
especially from you know some of the

671
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:43,600
reports from skinwalker about you know

672
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:45,760
people feeling fear or sensing fear or

673
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:47,679
having kind of projections of you know

674
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:50,159
emotions into them um that yeah that

675
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:52,720
this phenom or phenomena or phenomenon

676
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:54,000
can project

677
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:55,520
and make us see things that aren't there

678
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:57,039
or make us feel things that we that we

679
00:24:02,070 --> 00:23:58,960
wouldn't normally feel yeah kind of take

680
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:02,080
advantage of your emotions um it

681
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:05,039
i forgot who i asked about this but it

682
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:06,240
was something along the lines about

683
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:07,919
skinwalker ranch and

684
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:09,679
you know asking if they noticed some

685
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:13,360
sort of a reflection of the emotion or

686
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:15,520
uh attitude of the person that's there

687
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:16,720
so to speak

688
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:18,240
you know if someone's going and they're

689
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:21,200
kind of afraid or maybe even angry that

690
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:23,039
they have to go or grumpy

691
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:24,960
does it seem like there's a reflection

692
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:27,440
of that the activity you know and kind

693
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:29,279
of like what you put out you get back

694
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:30,240
yeah

695
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:31,760
you know and

696
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:33,600
i don't have anything to back this up

697
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:35,440
because i completely forgot who it was

698
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:41,990
and that's pretty interesting to me but

699
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:43,919
then you have stuff like

700
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:46,640
you know that doctor in the book where

701
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:48,640
the blue orb goes to the car and goes

702
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:50,159
through the guy's body

703
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:52,000
and he was sick for a long time now

704
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:53,919
actually that brings me to

705
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:56,720
um gary nolan's uh work recently where

706
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:58,799
he was looking at um brain scans and

707
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:01,200
everything what's your take on all that

708
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,880
i think it's superb that somebody of his

709
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:04,559
caliber is is involved in it and

710
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:07,440
actually um i was watching a

711
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:08,640
um

712
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:11,679
a live panel with uh russell targ dr dr

713
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:13,919
russell todd dr jackson

714
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:15,360
um

715
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:17,279
robert morningstar

716
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:18,880
and uh that was really interesting what

717
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:20,159
they were talking about his work about

718
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:22,240
nolan's work i think it's fascinating i

719
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:23,760
also think it's fascinating

720
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:27,279
i think it's i think it's very um

721
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:28,960
are very important that they can

722
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:30,640
safeguard you know the american war

723
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:33,120
fighters and others who have to who will

724
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:35,360
come into contact with the phenomena

725
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:36,640
but i also thought it was fascinating

726
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:38,640
what what um dr nolan was saying about

727
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:40,799
schizophrenics that they have a part of

728
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:42,480
their brain that can be activated or

729
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:44,880
that doesn't quite work well uh doesn't

730
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:47,200
work normally so they may see things and

731
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:49,120
hear things that other people can't and

732
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:50,400
then he kind of poses a question well

733
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:52,080
you know who who's the one having the

734
00:25:56,310 --> 00:25:54,400
hallucinations is it us because we can't

735
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:56,320
access like a real level of reality

736
00:25:59,350 --> 00:25:57,600
that's actually going on around us

737
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:59,360
whereas they can i thought that was very

738
00:26:02,470 --> 00:26:00,799
interesting as well

739
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:02,480
yeah that

740
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:04,080
go ahead yeah and you're saying that you

741
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:05,840
know our senses are very are very

742
00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:07,360
limited it's kind of like our senses are

743
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:09,840
to filter out like most of what's there

744
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:11,919
right that makes it makes sense

745
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:13,840
that's actually something john mack was

746
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:17,039
uh hitting on um in his day

747
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:18,480
um

748
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:20,880
in general just about the

749
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:23,279
how we're so quick to diagnose a mental

750
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:26,400
condition with such little understanding

751
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:28,880
of how the brain works

752
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:30,480
you know

753
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:32,960
the brain is pretty complex i mean

754
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:34,960
there's so many things about it that we

755
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:35,840
don't

756
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:38,240
understand even though we may claim to

757
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:40,240
you know like let's say prescribing a

758
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:41,919
medicine that we have no idea what the

759
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:45,120
long-term effect will be you know in 20

760
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:47,200
30 40 50 years

761
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:48,080
and

762
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:51,039
maybe looking at those diff those kind

763
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:53,600
of um conditions

764
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:56,320
a little differently or maybe just not

765
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:59,200
stopping to look at them

766
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:00,159
you know

767
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:04,400
and i'm not saying anybody is but just

768
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:06,240
maybe there's something else going on

769
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:08,240
sometimes you know

770
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:10,000
maybe some people are just

771
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:10,960
have

772
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:13,200
a little too much of something but

773
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:15,760
maybe that's not necessarily a bad thing

774
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:16,880
you know

775
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:18,640
they can access a reality that maybe you

776
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:20,240
know that other people can't i mean i

777
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:21,520
was telling my grandma my dearly

778
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:23,360
departed grandma i mean she was what you

779
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,120
call gifted i mean she and my

780
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:27,360
grandfather were always seeing like um

781
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:28,880
effectively what you call spirits or

782
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:30,880
ghosts in all the different houses and

783
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:33,120
places that they lived so did

784
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:35,120
you know i did they have something did

785
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:36,640
their brains work in a certain way that

786
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:38,240
allowed them to access a reality that

787
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:39,600
other people can't

788
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:40,799
yeah

789
00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:42,640
very interesting

790
00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:44,480
um

791
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:46,840
and i think about you know if i had any

792
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:51,440
effects you know like that when um

793
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:53,279
when i had my sighting or anything and i

794
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:55,200
can't

795
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,640
but i would like to have my brain

796
00:28:03,029 --> 00:28:00,240
scanned now

797
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:03,039
yeah

798
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:04,880
you know because i wonder

799
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:06,960
uh most definitely

800
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:10,000
um but i don't know do you think

801
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:13,120
there's any sense of uh rationing up

802
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:15,520
fear unnecessarily so to speak with that

803
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:17,360
stuff with

804
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:19,840
uh dr nolan kind of relating it to like

805
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:25,269
no i mean i think that if they're if

806
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:26,880
there are health risks and i think

807
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:30,720
clearly there are um and even i mean kit

808
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:33,120
green's uh paper his dirt his defense

809
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,039
intelligence reference document and then

810
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:37,440
there was also the paper from um

811
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:39,039
his names got off the top of my head

812
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:41,760
that i referenced uh in my first paper

813
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:44,720
uh not late 1960s he was a nasa and

814
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:46,080
aeronautical engineer and he didn't

815
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:48,399
release his book on ufos and it wasn't

816
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:50,080
released until after he died but he was

817
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:51,840
talking about effects on of uap on

818
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:53,440
people as well and then i also

819
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:54,880
referenced um

820
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:56,720
you know the the uk's project condyn

821
00:29:03,430 --> 00:28:59,360
report by defense intelligence 55 which

822
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:03,440
uh was kind of came out 1999 2000 and uh

823
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:05,039
and that was uh

824
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:06,640
talks quite a lot about you know the

825
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:08,480
electrical effects the effects on people

826
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:11,120
the sounds that they hear

827
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:13,200
how it affects them effectively uh in

828
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:14,720
logical sense in a psychological and

829
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:16,000
emotional sense

830
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:17,840
so i think it's very important that

831
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,799
these things are taken into

832
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:20,399
consideration

833
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:23,760
yeah and it's you know

834
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:24,960
a good look in mentioning the

835
00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:26,960
psychological and emotional aspect you

836
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:28,720
know because i think

837
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:30,320
you know when i think about it at least

838
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:31,760
it's definitely

839
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:34,640
affected me psychologically because my

840
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:38,480
entire uh life and you know

841
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:40,559
what i do with my time has changed and

842
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:42,559
that's enough that's an effect

843
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,960
you know that's a psychological effect i

844
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:46,640
wanted to bring this up i know you like

845
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:50,080
documents i found this in a old

846
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:51,840
um

847
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:59,440
wow about a story of them trying to i

848
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:01,679
think it was the cash landrum case is

849
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:03,279
what it was possibly

850
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:06,480
um but this soldier was trying to

851
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:09,760
get information out about possible um

852
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:13,039
medical effects from flank saucers

853
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:15,760
and it also went through how bad he was

854
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:17,279
treated

855
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:18,640
you know um

856
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:20,799
while he was still an army officer and

857
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:22,320
how they pretty much tried to force him

858
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:23,279
out

859
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:25,679
um but this is interesting dr annan uh

860
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:27,679
colleagues assistants during his autopsy

861
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:30,159
of a crew member retrieved from a crash

862
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:31,840
oh this is something different

863
00:30:36,149 --> 00:30:33,520
uh this is about a crash landing in an

864
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:36,159
autopsy with a body

865
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,840
that's still interesting

866
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:39,360
that's very interesting

867
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:40,799
that might not that reminds me as well

868
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:43,360
that reminds me of the the pascagoula um

869
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:46,159
ufo incident was in 1974 because once

870
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:48,000
the guys were done uh with the sheriff

871
00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:49,360
once the sheriff's because they put that

872
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:51,200
a tape recorder on the table didn't they

873
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:53,360
um yeah to hear them talking to each

874
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:54,399
other and they realized actually these

875
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:55,840
guys aren't making it out they're making

876
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:57,279
it up they're really freaked out and

877
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:58,960
then after that they got taken to an air

878
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:00,799
force base and they got poked and

879
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:03,440
prodded by doctors so the air force was

880
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:05,440
was checking them for you know physical

881
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:07,919
emotional psychological effects

882
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:10,799
wow that is yeah and this cash landrum

883
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:12,880
case was a lot like that

884
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:15,200
um oh here it is i found it super

885
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:18,640
interesting um they actually sued uh

886
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:20,399
this cash lady

887
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:22,720
for like 20 million bucks they they

888
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:24,320
didn't win because

889
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,240
um they

890
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:28,240
decided basically that it wasn't a

891
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:31,519
chinook helicopter and therefore

892
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:33,919
they couldn't say that whatever did that

893
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:36,640
to them was theirs so they thought they

894
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:38,480
threw the case out but they had a whole

895
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:40,880
interview and everything um it was quite

896
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:43,039
interesting where they brought them into

897
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:44,000
the

898
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:52,960
were very similar to what we hear

899
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:55,760
now here it is

900
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,200
known radiation effects the

901
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:59,440
electromagnetic spectrum is divided into

902
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:01,360
groups according to wavelengths x-rays

903
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:04,080
gamma rays very short wavelengths

904
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:06,799
um since the regions overlap an exposed

905
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:09,760
person may suffer effects more than one

906
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:11,200
region

907
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:13,120
exposure to ultraviolet radiation can

908
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:14,480
produce

909
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:17,600
for i don't know how to say that

910
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:19,519
a db of the eyelids

911
00:32:23,509 --> 00:32:21,200
yeah it

912
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:23,519
can provide a strong channel

913
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:26,480
yeah another strong general weakness

914
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:29,440
anorexia nausea vomiting apathy severe

915
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:32,399
headache sleeplessness and dizziness

916
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:34,320
uh the symptoms provide a clue to the

917
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:36,320
type of radiation exposure the degree of

918
00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:38,960
illness depends upon the type of energy

919
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:42,159
of the radiation wow that's interesting

920
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:44,240
yeah certainly the most listed symptoms

921
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:46,720
can be found in the cash landrum

922
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,919
incident

923
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:49,120
wow

924
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:51,840
i can also say there was um

925
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:53,120
just trying to find it now there was a

926
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:54,720
case in uh

927
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:57,039
in canada in the great lakes i believe

928
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:58,399
it was just let me look i'm just gonna

929
00:33:03,269 --> 00:33:00,159
search this document

930
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:03,279
and um this guy actually ended up with a

931
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:05,679
yeah he ended up next to a ufo

932
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:07,760
and then uh he saw this craft that was

933
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:09,279
that was stationary

934
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:10,559
but it was kind of like humming it was

935
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:12,080
like powered up and he kind of went near

936
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:13,279
it and he ended up with this kind of

937
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:15,360
like burnt grill like patting across his

938
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:16,320
chest

939
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:17,120
and

940
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:18,640
he was in hospital he was really really

941
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:20,000
ill

942
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:21,200
wow

943
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:23,039
you know canada has some very

944
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:25,360
interesting stuff with that uh have you

945
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:26,559
looked into

946
00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:29,120
project magnet at all

947
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:31,039
i haven't no

948
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:32,640
that's interesting

949
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,039
that's a very interesting case um

950
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:37,279
project magnet was kind of canada's ufo

951
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:40,320
study that this wb smith um was heading

952
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:42,240
up and he was part of the

953
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:43,519
transportation department of

954
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:46,080
transportation or whatever over there

955
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:47,679
and

956
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:49,840
there's a very interesting memo from him

957
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:52,399
talking about how uh the americans

958
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:56,240
looked at these flying saucers

959
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:57,039
uh

960
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:58,880
very interesting stuff i don't have the

961
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:00,799
document handy right now but i'll have

962
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:02,640
that one

963
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:08,389
yes

964
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:10,159
very interesting

965
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:14,000
so i'm still researching that too so um

966
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:15,359
what do you think is going to kind of

967
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:16,720
roll out next do you think there's kind

968
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:18,480
of a slow drip of

969
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:21,919
like disclosure and stuff or

970
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,280
you know do you think are we are we

971
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:25,520
guaranteed anything at this point you

972
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:26,560
think

973
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:28,000
well there's going to be

974
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:30,720
unclassified reports right assuming that

975
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:33,599
that the ndaa goes through as is right

976
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:36,240
through the senate um

977
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:37,599
then

978
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:39,839
there's going to be more unclassified

979
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:41,599
reports coming up but the meat of it is

980
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:42,960
still i believe going to be in the is

981
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:44,320
still going to be in the classified

982
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:46,480
annexes um i think there's still going

983
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:48,159
to be resistance going down the road and

984
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:49,599
i think that the fact that you know that

985
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:51,200
that kind of that subsection of the

986
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:52,560
amendment on the on the advisory

987
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:54,560
committee was left out that's that's

988
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:56,560
part of it um if you look at you know

989
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:58,960
earlier in the year all the obfuscation

990
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:00,400
from the um

991
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:03,119
uh the the dod uh public affairs

992
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:04,560
officers and saying oh you know we need

993
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:06,880
to coordinate our response to like uap

994
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:08,000
requests

995
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:09,280
you know which is almost like a way to

996
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:11,040
circumvent before your process but hang

997
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:12,640
on that's like the legal right of people

998
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:15,119
to find out yeah so i think that it's

999
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:16,960
kind of part of a long history of

1000
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:19,520
obfuscation and trying to cover it up um

1001
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:20,960
and also as well i think just the like

1002
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:22,240
the fact that they don't want to have

1003
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:23,680
you know dod and the intelligence

1004
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:25,200
community don't want to have more

1005
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:26,720
oversight it's more of a hassle for them

1006
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,320
if they have to report to somebody like

1007
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:30,640
more regularly yeah but i think we will

1008
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:32,320
slowly get more things out i think the

1009
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:34,079
genie is like so far out of the bottle

1010
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:34,880
now

1011
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:38,800
there's so much um

1012
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:39,920
that there's there's been so much kind

1013
00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:41,760
of steam behind it behind you know the

1014
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:43,839
kind of disclosure initiative i think

1015
00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:44,960
people are just going to keep pushing

1016
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:46,000
and pushing and pushing i don't see

1017
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:47,920
anybody giving up on it it might take

1018
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,359
years i don't know i can't say but yeah

1019
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:53,760
yeah it's just like how do they not

1020
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:55,839
realize that uh the way they treat it

1021
00:36:01,589 --> 00:35:57,920
just makes it even more appealing and

1022
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:04,470
you know it just builds up more intrigue

1023
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:06,960
if they're just like oh

1024
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:08,800
you know it's nothing and stopped like

1025
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:10,720
replying to stuff and

1026
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:12,560
didn't even talk about it

1027
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:13,760
you know yeah i know i mean it's

1028
00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:15,760
shocking really it's shocking really

1029
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:17,119
because they're supposed to be i mean

1030
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:19,200
the foyer process it's it's a

1031
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:20,800
constitutional right right of the

1032
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:22,240
american people to apply for foia

1033
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:23,920
process okay if it's classified you

1034
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:24,880
can't see it if they're not going to

1035
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:27,119
declassify it but and to kind of to try

1036
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:29,440
and delay it or not reply to people

1037
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:30,720
um

1038
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,680
oh yeah sorry i i found the

1039
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:35,760
i thought it was falcon lake manitoba

1040
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:39,359
may 20th 1967 stefan mitchell

1041
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:41,200
and there was an emission from the craft

1042
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:43,599
set his clothes ablaze and left him with

1043
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:45,119
a mysterious burn mark across his

1044
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:46,560
stomach

1045
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:48,240
and apparently he was really ill after

1046
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:54,390
yeah poor guy poor guy sorry that's what

1047
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:55,839
hal put off as well said in his lecture

1048
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:57,119
right he's like don't don't be near the

1049
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:59,040
craft when it's powering up

1050
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:59,920
yeah

1051
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,720
man

1052
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:02,160
uh

1053
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:03,599
yeah what would you do would you like

1054
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:04,960
run or you

1055
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:06,720
would you like try to talk to him like

1056
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:07,599
hello

1057
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:09,520
oh man yeah yeah but he he actually

1058
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:10,640
because he he was a craft and he was

1059
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:11,920
like he i think he poked his head like

1060
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:13,520
round around the um

1061
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:15,520
around the entrance and he he was like

1062
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,800
trying to figure out was there anybody

1063
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:18,720
inside type thing so

1064
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:21,359
i think he just got a very lucky dose

1065
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:23,200
um and then that kind of reminds me of

1066
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:25,440
the rental shim incident where they

1067
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:26,720
you know we're getting pretty close to

1068
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:28,160
that triangle thing

1069
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:30,160
dude put his hand on it and it like lit

1070
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:32,640
up or something with like and he saw a

1071
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:34,800
bunch of signs

1072
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:37,119
on planet or something um

1073
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:38,880
very interesting sorry he was ill for

1074
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:41,040
years after that wasn't he as well

1075
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:43,680
i don't remember that sounds good

1076
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:45,119
and then he was trying to get access to

1077
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:47,760
his records and the and the the air

1078
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:48,960
force is going oh we don't have your

1079
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:50,960
records like you didn't serve type thing

1080
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:52,240
and then he eventually got his i think

1081
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:55,280
it was his local senator um on the case

1082
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:57,200
uh and um they basically said no no you

1083
00:38:02,630 --> 00:37:59,040
have to give the guys records you're

1084
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:02,640
right and i think they put him on um

1085
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:04,160
they gave him some sort of like leave

1086
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:05,440
payments

1087
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:07,119
and that incident

1088
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:10,079
was the reason why

1089
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:12,079
and i think it was lou elizondo who said

1090
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:13,599
that too

1091
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:16,240
um i just have found like 106 documents

1092
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:18,400
on that case by the way

1093
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:20,640
pretty pretty yeah pretty interesting

1094
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:22,560
did you find those

1095
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:25,280
i find them all over the place

1096
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:26,960
these i found i found a lot of my

1097
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:29,280
documents on uh

1098
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:36,150
i know i forgot what it's called already

1099
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:39,119
but um clifford stone had all his

1100
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:41,359
documents on there

1101
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:42,800
and

1102
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:44,240
i guess he's known for having one of the

1103
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:47,520
biggest like uh document collections and

1104
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,960
i know he said a lot of stuff that's out

1105
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:50,160
there has nothing to do with the

1106
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:51,680
documents that he got

1107
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:54,480
but um yeah he's got a lot of stuff on

1108
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:56,720
there if you have to just sign up eat a

1109
00:38:59,910 --> 00:38:58,160
free membership and you can download

1110
00:39:02,470 --> 00:38:59,920
pretty much whatever you want so i took

1111
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:02,480
the lot of it and put it put it like

1112
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:04,640
google drive and i'm slowly like trying

1113
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:06,640
to just put it on my website and stuff

1114
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:08,640
um but that's where i got all the air

1115
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:10,160
force osi

1116
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:12,480
uh documents from the 50s

1117
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:13,359
um

1118
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:14,160
which

1119
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:15,839
osi investigations

1120
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:17,440
yep

1121
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:19,599
yeah and and these are pretty much all

1122
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:22,160
like uh military bases and stuff

1123
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:23,760
it's pretty interesting

1124
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:25,200
that's really fascinating that you say

1125
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:27,200
that because in the skinwalkers at the

1126
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:28,880
pentagon book when they went to speak to

1127
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:29,680
the

1128
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:30,480
uh

1129
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:32,160
special investigations guys the special

1130
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:33,680
projects division they were saying about

1131
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:35,599
how they'd um been investigating the

1132
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:38,960
northern tier uap incursions so it makes

1133
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:41,520
me wonder was that the osi sorry the air

1134
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:43,200
force officer special investigations at

1135
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:45,599
2004 at the the nimitz taking the hard

1136
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:47,200
drives

1137
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:51,200
um yeah i i wouldn't uh doubt it it it

1138
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:53,599
was pretty much um

1139
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:55,119
you know at least then this was like in

1140
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:57,440
the 50s and stuff but it was uh air

1141
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:59,040
force osi

1142
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:01,200
yeah and uh attic

1143
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:02,320
pretty much

1144
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:03,680
atic

1145
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:05,520
which was um

1146
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:06,880
you know the real

1147
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:08,319
group

1148
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:09,520
intelligence

1149
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:12,319
yeah and then it changed to aerospace

1150
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:13,839
technical intelligence center but that

1151
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:16,000
was a real group that everything was

1152
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:17,280
um

1153
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:18,880
coming out of and then they had the

1154
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:21,119
names like grudge and blue book but that

1155
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:22,960
really meant nothing

1156
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:25,200
absolutely nothing it was them who did

1157
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:26,880
it then there's different all these

1158
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:29,200
different acronyms and groups like uh

1159
00:40:32,829 --> 00:40:31,520
air force um

1160
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:32,839
special opera

1161
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:36,240
a-f-s-o-i was one a-f-s-c

1162
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:42,230
it's just like it's kind of endless

1163
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:43,520
um

1164
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:45,839
but you know i learned all of it

1165
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:47,520
that's for sure

1166
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:49,040
i'm gonna bring up that link somebody

1167
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:50,800
asked me for the link for

1168
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:53,440
those files on my website

1169
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:54,319
so

1170
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:56,480
i'm on my in terms of phenomenology i'm

1171
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:58,800
on my i've got two two google drives for

1172
00:41:02,870 --> 00:40:59,839
it right

1173
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:02,880
so because they fill up really yeah yeah

1174
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:04,720
yeah i'm pretty sure that's what broke

1175
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:13,270
yeah i'm not exactly sure but um

1176
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:14,720
you know and then it's really more than

1177
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,839
anything it's just really hard to

1178
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,760
organize everything

1179
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:19,440
you know because you got so much stuff

1180
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:21,200
that you get so many different places

1181
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:22,720
but when you go through this stuff you

1182
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:25,119
really realize like how

1183
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:27,359
complicated they made it and it has to

1184
00:41:36,069 --> 00:41:32,870
always changing names always changing

1185
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:36,079
groups so yeah so here's a 124

1186
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:38,560
encounters military cops fbi osi

1187
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:41,040
commercial pilot seaman so

1188
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:44,000
i like just picked these i went through

1189
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:46,319
thousands of these files and just picked

1190
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:47,920
these ones

1191
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:49,680
because they were those because i know

1192
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:51,839
people you know are affected by those

1193
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:54,000
the most i guess

1194
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:00,950
spent hundreds of hours reading right oh

1195
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:04,079
totally and the whole reports of these

1196
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:07,599
are in uh the files that are also uh

1197
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:09,280
available but i just put like the one

1198
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:10,960
sheets here just so you know you can see

1199
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:12,319
it and stuff

1200
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:15,839
but uh to grab them

1201
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:17,280
yeah you just

1202
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:18,560
click the pic

1203
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:21,440
yeah yeah i'll take a fly by the side

1204
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:22,720
excellent yeah

1205
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:26,160
and uh this one number 17

1206
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:28,240
is oh too large

1207
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:30,160
too large to open but that's new mexico

1208
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:32,240
it's 700 some pages in there

1209
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:34,640
whoa okay

1210
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:37,119
yeah so you know what you're doing but i

1211
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:38,720
mean that's where i got my conviction

1212
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,880
that something's going on you just read

1213
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:42,480
those and you're like okay something's

1214
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:45,280
happening what is the freaking deal man

1215
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:48,319
so many times visual and radar sightings

1216
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:51,119
visual and radar settings you know

1217
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:54,240
uh of crazy maneuvers and unbelievable

1218
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:56,079
speeds so

1219
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:57,280
that's exactly the same thing i've been

1220
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:59,280
seeing in um you know spanish ufo files

1221
00:43:01,990 --> 00:43:00,560
when i go through them detached by

1222
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:02,000
spanish air force files it's exactly the

1223
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:03,200
same deal

1224
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:04,079
right

1225
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,800
yeah

1226
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,480
you shared that link with me that was

1227
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:08,400
pretty some pretty great research on

1228
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:10,880
those well i mean yeah i mean it was you

1229
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:12,720
know i just i just looked at the summary

1230
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:14,480
but i mean the

1231
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:16,560
the the system that they had for it was

1232
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:18,240
i mean they were really sophisticated

1233
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:19,680
when they're doing it and they had what

1234
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:21,440
you know the different type of craft was

1235
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:22,960
it like tripoid or did it have like you

1236
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:25,200
know tripod did it have wheels you know

1237
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:26,240
wow they

1238
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:27,599
they were really detailed how they went

1239
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:29,200
through it so that was just a summary of

1240
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:31,040
some of the cases what were some of the

1241
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:32,880
more common physical aspects that you

1242
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:34,319
saw

1243
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,839
a lot of them were kind of like you know

1244
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,160
orbs or lights um but there's one

1245
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:40,720
actually really fascinating um

1246
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:43,200
um file from the canary ions actually

1247
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:45,839
and it's got uh a commercial pilot and

1248
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:47,280
he's there sitting there with his with

1249
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:48,880
his navigator and he and the flight

1250
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:50,960
engineer and they're seeing this craft

1251
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:52,160
that like follows them along and it's

1252
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:54,160
got the whole kind of like log of the

1253
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:56,400
the flight crew talking to

1254
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,839
um the

1255
00:44:01,030 --> 00:43:59,680
the the radar operators right the

1256
00:44:02,230 --> 00:44:01,040
military and the civilian radar

1257
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:02,240
operators and they're saying oh you know

1258
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:04,240
we've got a ufo next to us and they have

1259
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:06,640
this whole conversation it's pretty

1260
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:09,599
really out there yeah wow but um

1261
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:11,760
i like the quality of the of the reports

1262
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:13,680
because a lot of it is um it's like

1263
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:15,200
multiple military personnel a

1264
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:17,440
combination of like pilots or police you

1265
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:19,200
know it's it's they've got good quality

1266
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:20,319
witnesses

1267
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:22,079
yeah and they seem to take it a little

1268
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:24,079
more seriously too i forget do you

1269
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,319
remember that report that came out not

1270
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:28,640
was it not too long ago by them i forgot

1271
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:30,000
what it was called

1272
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:31,280
but the french commenter report you're

1273
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:33,599
talking about yes yeah yeah yeah yeah i

1274
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:34,960
mean the french the french and spanish

1275
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:36,240
took a lot more seriously but i think

1276
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:37,599
the french were

1277
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:39,119
have always been a lot more open about

1278
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:40,480
it the spanish didn't start being they

1279
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:42,880
didn't release them until like 1996 i

1280
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:43,839
believe

1281
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:45,839
yeah you're talking about spanish yeah

1282
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:47,359
yeah it was really because i mean spain

1283
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:49,200
was in dictatorship in the 70s and it

1284
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:50,480
didn't really come out of it until kind

1285
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:53,599
of like 1982 you know um the french i

1286
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,880
think they've been you know a lot more

1287
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:56,640
open with their public for a lot longer

1288
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:57,839
and i mean hey if you're talking about

1289
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:59,359
you know a disclosure in the states i

1290
00:45:02,230 --> 00:45:00,640
mean you forget about other countries

1291
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:02,240
but you know why couldn't they follow

1292
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:03,920
the french example because the french

1293
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,920
have released a lot and they've had this

1294
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:07,680
committee a gay pan and they've you know

1295
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:09,359
the committed report comments report

1296
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:11,119
they've got senior people from civil

1297
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:13,040
aviation from the military senior air

1298
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:14,960
force people um

1299
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:16,319
and they've made lots of stuff available

1300
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:17,520
to the public

1301
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:19,440
yeah without compromising their national

1302
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:20,800
security

1303
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:23,359
yeah that's that's very true well maybe

1304
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:26,319
uh mr jack vale is working

1305
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:28,720
working some charm over there perhaps

1306
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:30,640
you speak spanish too don't you

1307
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,480
yeah yeah i do for my students

1308
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:34,640
yes so that's

1309
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:36,160
you know you can find a lot more truth

1310
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:37,760
about this stuff for if you could dive

1311
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:40,000
into documents all around the world i

1312
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,760
would imagine you know but most people

1313
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:43,680
can only speak one language but you know

1314
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:46,000
like i'm going through uh australian

1315
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:47,920
files same stuff just like you're

1316
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,520
describing same features everything

1317
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:53,440
yeah i mean i think you know you're

1318
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:55,599
you're quite well set um

1319
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:57,200
i mean like you know spanish is a very

1320
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:58,800
widely spoken language you've got like

1321
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:00,240
you know spain you've got all of south

1322
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,560
america as well central america

1323
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:04,400
um they're like you know yeah english as

1324
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:05,440
well because then obviously you've got

1325
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:06,240
to be you know the whole of the

1326
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:07,680
english-speaking world you can dive into

1327
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:10,800
the files yeah yeah i'd like to learn

1328
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:13,040
more about uh portugal ufos because

1329
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:15,040
that's where uh my ancestors are from

1330
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:16,079
but

1331
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:17,370
i don't speak that language

1332
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:19,119
[Laughter]

1333
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:21,200
maybe one that's a beautiful country

1334
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:23,440
yeah i want to i want to definitely

1335
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:28,390
first things first though you know you

1336
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:30,079
got to pay the bills so what's on tap

1337
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:31,599
for you what are you trying to get into

1338
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,079
what are you studying um

1339
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:36,240
what's your goal in all this

1340
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:37,920
um

1341
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:40,000
well i mean goal is i guess it is

1342
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:41,440
knowledge and to find out as much as i

1343
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:43,680
can but uh yeah i've got like an

1344
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:45,520
absolutely huge reading list i must have

1345
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:46,880
accumulated at least kind of like a

1346
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:50,160
hundred books on a subject recently um

1347
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:51,440
and i'm just trying to work my way

1348
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:52,400
through

1349
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:54,319
um but you know there's always like some

1350
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:56,000
new document like i'm talking to you

1351
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:57,359
today like i want to go and check out

1352
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:59,040
all the documents and you've got and

1353
00:47:02,069 --> 00:47:00,400
read those i've got a whole load of like

1354
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:02,079
an inbox with a whole load of documents

1355
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:04,000
i haven't read yet then all the books

1356
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:05,760
that i haven't read um but the way i'm

1357
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:07,680
going yeah i want to go

1358
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:09,760
with another paper but i want to read a

1359
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,520
lot more first i want to get like into

1360
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:13,520
more into like jack valet as well and

1361
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:15,280
more of the high strangeness because i

1362
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:17,119
came at it from very much you know kind

1363
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:18,880
of like the nuts and bolts to start off

1364
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:20,000
with and the national security

1365
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:21,280
perspective but i want to understand

1366
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:23,040
more about the consciousness and the

1367
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:24,720
high strangeness because i think you

1368
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:25,920
know that that's obviously equally

1369
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:27,680
important um

1370
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:29,520
that's where i'm going with it i'm just

1371
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:31,040
i'm just taking it all in at the moment

1372
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,359
sean yeah no i mean what else can you

1373
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:35,440
really do if it was an easy subject we

1374
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:36,640
would have had it figured out a long

1375
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:38,960
time ago

1376
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:41,680
you know and it's definitely not

1377
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:42,640
um

1378
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:45,520
you ever like try to meditate or

1379
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:47,920
explore your own consciousness

1380
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:49,920
yeah yeah absolutely

1381
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:51,200
i've had some you know what you call

1382
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:53,119
outer body experiences and quite crazy

1383
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:54,720
ones um

1384
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:56,240
i i mean i generally meditate just for

1385
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:57,599
relaxation

1386
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:58,960
and just like i like to do it you know

1387
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,640
when i wake up for example and before i

1388
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:02,400
go to bed just like i kind of start my

1389
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:04,000
day on kind of like an even keel you

1390
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:04,720
know

1391
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:05,680
yeah

1392
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:07,200
it's very easy just to wake up it's like

1393
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:08,240
i've got to do all these things i've got

1394
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:09,680
to do emails i've got to make breakfast

1395
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:10,720
i got to do this i could do that i've

1396
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:12,079
got to go to the gym whatever it's just

1397
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:14,000
like no just take 10 or 15 minutes for

1398
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:15,040
yourself

1399
00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:17,920
yeah you know and then start your day

1400
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:19,599
yeah i try to do that at the lake every

1401
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:23,040
day uh today i was just uh got

1402
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:25,200
molly whopped by a meteor shower by the

1403
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:27,920
lake today it was pretty intense

1404
00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:30,160
um for a second i'm like this better not

1405
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:32,079
be ufos

1406
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:33,359
but she lifting her leg that's really

1407
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:34,559
cool

1408
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:37,280
uh yeah i don't live near lake it's uh

1409
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:38,960
by my office though so in the morning

1410
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:40,319
i'll just go drive and hang out there

1411
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:42,319
for a little bit before i go

1412
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,440
so

1413
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:45,760
um

1414
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:48,480
so if you could recommend any book that

1415
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:51,920
you have read what would it be

1416
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:53,680
um in fact well let's just take a look

1417
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:54,960
now um

1418
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:57,440
do a quick library tour

1419
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:59,680
oh robert's gonna comment i've um i

1420
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:01,440
recently read um i'm actually reading

1421
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:02,720
what am i reading at the moment uh i

1422
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:04,240
studied jack vales but the last one

1423
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:05,920
about trinity so i've got that on the go

1424
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:07,040
i've got um

1425
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:09,280
ufos and nukes on the go i've got ross

1426
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:11,200
cool thoughts book on the go i've got

1427
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:13,119
untold documents on the go

1428
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:17,910
cool thought yeah

1429
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:20,000
but um

1430
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:21,520
what

1431
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:23,440
um yeah so i've got all these books like

1432
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:25,839
um you know john keel joseph farrell

1433
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:28,000
nick cook nick redfern

1434
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:31,839
paul hill was the um was the uh

1435
00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:33,440
the nasa engineer that i was telling you

1436
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:35,200
about in the late 60s who wrote what was

1437
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:36,640
the name of this book i would really

1438
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:38,480
recommend this book

1439
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:40,880
it's called

1440
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:42,720
unconventional flying objects a former

1441
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:45,200
nasa scientist explains how ufos really

1442
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:47,359
work paul r hill and he got a really

1443
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:50,240
good write-up from eric davis um eric

1444
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:52,960
davis and and um and put off they wrote

1445
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:54,800
a synopsis of the book and they were

1446
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:55,920
saying look even though he was in the

1447
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:57,520
60s and he didn't have you know the

1448
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:58,960
knowledge that we have today like he did

1449
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:00,640
a really good job with it and he does

1450
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:02,880
affects you know ufos the propulsion

1451
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,119
system like um how they can operate like

1452
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:07,680
a weapon system the effects on humans so

1453
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:10,000
i definitely recommend that book

1454
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:11,359
um

1455
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:13,920
so weird to me that the effects are just

1456
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:16,640
always so close to like direct energy

1457
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:20,800
weapons or emps or whatever but

1458
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:22,880
you know through looking into this stuff

1459
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:26,079
it also seems sometimes that we have

1460
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:26,880
been

1461
00:50:31,770 --> 00:50:29,920
you know looking into ufos just about as

1462
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:31,780
long as we've been looking into those

1463
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:34,000
[Laughter]

1464
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:35,920
so i wonder sometimes if that stuff is

1465
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:38,400
connected i have no idea of course but

1466
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:41,200
it's it's very uh very interesting for

1467
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:42,160
sure

1468
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:43,440
um

1469
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:45,119
yeah i know what you mean too was so

1470
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:46,480
many books

1471
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:48,240
i've got at least i don't know 10 or 12

1472
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:50,720
books by valet um

1473
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:52,640
bingo swan i got all of his books just

1474
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:55,040
pretty much um

1475
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:55,920
yeah

1476
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:57,839
oh here it is this is the one i wanted

1477
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:00,640
to share initially

1478
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:06,829
betty

1479
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:08,800
cashio

1480
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:11,359
eyes swollen and watery stomach pains

1481
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:14,240
diarrhea oh dear lord yeah this is from

1482
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:15,680
cash landrum yes

1483
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:17,200
yeah

1484
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:18,800
man they really suffered those ladies

1485
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:27,829
showing approximately 50 percent loss

1486
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:32,910
and it's still

1487
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:35,359
undetermined what happened there and

1488
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:37,280
those cases are the most interesting to

1489
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:38,400
me as well

1490
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:40,400
so yeah i feel like i could talk to you

1491
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:42,559
about this stuff all day

1492
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:44,160
yeah absolutely

1493
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:50,790
he was actually you know doing his whole

1494
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:51,839
i don't know if you saw that he did a

1495
00:51:56,230 --> 00:51:53,760
whole presentation from like ancient

1496
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:56,240
antique from ancient antiquity on uap

1497
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:57,200
sightings

1498
00:52:01,829 --> 00:52:00,000
and uh there was one of um

1499
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:01,839
potentially people suffering ill effects

1500
00:52:04,309 --> 00:52:02,880
right like in the kind of like the

1501
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:04,319
middle ages from you know being in

1502
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:06,880
contact with the ufo yeah and it was

1503
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:08,079
you've got to see that presentation

1504
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:09,920
because uh it's about two hours long he

1505
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:12,079
literally goes from kind of like

1506
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:14,079
yeah he literally goes for about 15 000

1507
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:16,160
years bc or more and then he kind of

1508
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:17,599
goes to the modern age and you just see

1509
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:19,280
like a pattern emerging and like the

1510
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:20,720
foot there's a there's a the first

1511
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:22,800
triangle apparently was like seen in 15

1512
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:25,760
something um really really incredible

1513
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:27,040
really really good you see this whole

1514
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:28,559
pattern emerge

1515
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:30,720
yeah see i watched the

1516
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:31,760
um

1517
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:33,760
the first video he posted where he

1518
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:35,680
wasn't doing the presentation and i

1519
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:37,440
didn't i wasn't really

1520
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:39,839
i wasn't really into it but i was uh i'm

1521
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:42,480
very curious to see the presentation for

1522
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:44,079
sure because i think this stuff has been

1523
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:45,200
around

1524
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:46,480
you know

1525
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:50,240
um longer than we have and

1526
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:51,839
you know it's

1527
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:54,000
you can see it in an ancient scripture

1528
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:57,599
or writings or uh cave drawings

1529
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:58,800
or

1530
00:53:02,549 --> 00:53:00,880
you know in a lot of different things

1531
00:53:05,670 --> 00:53:02,559
but it's interesting too because it kind

1532
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:05,680
of plays into see what you can handle

1533
00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:07,520
type of thing you know because it almost

1534
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:08,319
seems

1535
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:10,079
you know the way they were described or

1536
00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:12,559
were talked about was in a way that they

1537
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:16,000
could handle you know or make sense of

1538
00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:17,760
much like we do now

1539
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:20,240
um yeah we would make a flying saucer

1540
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:24,000
like a 1950s mustang

1541
00:53:27,030 --> 00:53:25,839
yeah yeah

1542
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:27,040
yeah

1543
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:28,559
um

1544
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:30,720
anything you want to talk about uh we're

1545
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:33,040
about at the we're close to the hour

1546
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:36,559
mark that's usually how long ago but um

1547
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:37,839
not some fun

1548
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:39,599
there's something on your brain

1549
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:40,800
no just if there's anything you

1550
00:53:43,830 --> 00:53:43,520
particularly um wanted to discuss

1551
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:43,840
um

1552
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:46,079
[Music]

1553
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:51,670
i'd look out for um kind of more

1554
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:55,040
obfuscation going forward like after

1555
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:57,760
the ndaa is passed yeah so they're going

1556
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:59,520
to the eod the ic are going to have a

1557
00:54:02,069 --> 00:54:01,040
certain period of time before they have

1558
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:02,079
to put

1559
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:03,280
um the

1560
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:05,200
details effectively of the of what is

1561
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:07,920
the gilly band rubio gallego

1562
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:09,839
amendment into force

1563
00:54:12,790 --> 00:54:11,040
and then to see

1564
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:12,800
how well they do that do they do some

1565
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:14,960
kind of like meld of two

1566
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:16,640
do they have two separate officers or do

1567
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:18,640
they have one office and are they are

1568
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:20,400
they just following like the letter of

1569
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:21,839
the law or are they actually in the

1570
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:23,440
spirit of the law as well and are they

1571
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:24,960
trying to obfuscate going forward i

1572
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:26,559
think that's going to be really key how

1573
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:28,640
how they put it into practice

1574
00:54:31,349 --> 00:54:29,839
i don't like that they have the two

1575
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:31,359
different offices i'll tell you that

1576
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:32,319
it's like what are you going to do

1577
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:34,640
double the work are you going to really

1578
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:37,119
cooperate with each other or right now

1579
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:39,119
what are you doing are you hiding things

1580
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:41,359
right now or figuring out of a way to

1581
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:43,520
hide things in the future

1582
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:45,440
yeah you know but from a from a

1583
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:46,960
bureaucratic perspective i mean that

1584
00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:48,640
that doesn't make sense either because

1585
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:50,960
um you know if you're the principle of

1586
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:52,799
intelligence yeah is that you have

1587
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:55,280
centralized control and you have a

1588
00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:56,480
what's called economy of effort you

1589
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:58,160
don't want to duplicate effort

1590
00:55:01,270 --> 00:55:00,240
so you don't have overlap you know one

1591
00:55:02,710 --> 00:55:01,280
office doing one thing and then

1592
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:02,720
overlapping with another it's just a

1593
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:04,319
waste of resources

1594
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:06,559
um so yeah i i'm going to be watching

1595
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:08,000
all these things going forward to see

1596
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:10,240
exactly what they do and how they do it

1597
00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:11,920
yeah and it's interesting to actually

1598
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:12,880
see the

1599
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:13,760
um

1600
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:15,440
i always forget his name but what's his

1601
00:55:19,829 --> 00:55:17,920
face um

1602
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:19,839
talking in actually getting asked

1603
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:22,000
questions about these things now uh

1604
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:24,480
kirby i think his name is yeah yeah

1605
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:26,640
admiral john kirby yeah

1606
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:27,760
and

1607
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:29,440
he doesn't really seem very comfortable

1608
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:32,240
with it which is awesome

1609
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:34,960
yeah yeah i i i think that i mean being

1610
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:35,760
um

1611
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:37,680
you know being that being the mouthpiece

1612
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:39,359
is because you know he's not going to be

1613
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:42,240
read in on everything uh yeah right so i

1614
00:55:45,030 --> 00:55:43,440
think that's part of the problem he's

1615
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:45,040
probably just read like

1616
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:46,480
you know the um

1617
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:48,400
uh you know the secretary defense's memo

1618
00:55:50,789 --> 00:55:49,520
on the setting up of the the

1619
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:50,799
establishment of the new office that's

1620
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:51,920
probably as far as he's gone and he's

1621
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:53,359
got a briefing of what he can talk about

1622
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:55,520
and what he can't probably so

1623
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:57,599
i i can't you know see that he's gonna

1624
00:56:02,710 --> 00:56:00,400
be able to delve into it that deeply um

1625
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:02,720
but i mean already the the report in

1626
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,680
june from the ua ptf and the odni i mean

1627
00:56:10,789 --> 00:56:07,920
it was tasked last year

1628
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:10,799
yeah congress tossed the uaptf and the

1629
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:12,559
odni they said you know you need to tell

1630
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:13,920
us is there a threat to this you know

1631
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:15,359
national security the united states and

1632
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:16,720
they haven't done that at least not in

1633
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:19,040
the public version right um

1634
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:20,720
so you know you could argue okay the

1635
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:23,040
uaptf was like understaffed whatever it

1636
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,720
couldn't get couldn't get access to you

1637
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:26,640
know the the files and the info that it

1638
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:29,359
needed um but you know the eyes are

1639
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:31,040
going to be on them going forward to see

1640
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:32,880
you know how transparent they really are

1641
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:33,920
and i mean you know people aren't going

1642
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:36,960
to stop with the foia requests either

1643
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:38,799
no that that's for sure

1644
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:40,480
i mean you would have to think there

1645
00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:42,079
would have to be some sense of national

1646
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:44,240
security threat but maybe it's not you

1647
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:46,079
know something that hitting us with

1648
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:49,040
bombs okay or whatever but at the very

1649
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:50,799
least they're getting in air traffic

1650
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:51,760
grounds

1651
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:52,720
right

1652
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:55,760
putting our pilots uh at risk i've

1653
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:57,200
definitely read

1654
00:57:02,230 --> 00:57:00,640
um near-collision cases yeah you know

1655
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:02,240
physiological effects

1656
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:03,680
yeah

1657
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:04,559
so

1658
00:57:07,589 --> 00:57:05,520
it's

1659
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:07,599
you know i tend to think that maybe they

1660
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:09,200
do know there is a little bit of a

1661
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:10,799
threat maybe they're not

1662
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:13,520
too prepared on how to divulge that

1663
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:15,200
information i mean for god's sakes

1664
00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:16,720
they've been saying it publicly that it

1665
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:19,599
isn't a threat for 80 years so how are

1666
00:57:24,829 --> 00:57:21,119
they gonna just switch their tune and

1667
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:24,839
say okay maybe we're wrong you

1668
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:27,280
know mean with all due respect to people

1669
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:29,440
i mean i don't see how people and i

1670
00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:30,559
greatly respect you know the likes of

1671
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:32,079
like bob salas who i spoke to earlier

1672
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:34,079
this year i mean he's obviously had an

1673
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:35,920
experience i wasn't there he was right

1674
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:36,880
and i'm not going to question his

1675
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,640
integrity he's a great guy and obviously

1676
00:57:42,549 --> 00:57:40,559
you don't get that position um you know

1677
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:42,559
to be a missile launch control officer

1678
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:43,920
if you're given to flights of fancy and

1679
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:45,280
you're not a very very squared away

1680
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:47,040
person um

1681
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:48,480
but you know he and others they're

1682
00:57:53,349 --> 00:57:50,240
convinced you know it's a message it's

1683
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:53,359
that we have to get rid of our nukes but

1684
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:55,280
i don't unders i'm not sure if does that

1685
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:56,799
come from a psychological or an

1686
00:58:01,990 --> 00:57:59,839
emotional perspective because if you had

1687
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:02,000
um you know craft with like you know

1688
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:04,160
russian red stars or chinese red stars

1689
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:06,160
on the side flying over a nuclear

1690
00:58:08,789 --> 00:58:07,520
facility it would be definitely

1691
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:08,799
considered a threat they'd be carrying

1692
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:09,839
out you know intelligence and

1693
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:11,440
surveillance mission yeah i'd be

1694
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:13,040
carrying out a recon

1695
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:14,480
so yeah

1696
00:58:17,109 --> 00:58:15,760
you know and on the one hand that's

1697
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:17,119
what's fascinating as well about bob

1698
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:18,480
salas's uh

1699
00:58:23,109 --> 00:58:20,720
case is that initially he thought that

1700
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:23,119
they were under attack because his uh

1701
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:24,720
his security people were panicking he

1702
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:27,119
said one of his guys was so was so

1703
00:58:30,390 --> 00:58:28,640
freaked he tried to climb the perimeter

1704
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:30,400
fence and go and got injured basically

1705
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:31,760
on the barbed wire

1706
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:33,280
and then he said when they were trying

1707
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:35,359
to get the wall the missiles were

1708
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:37,119
working or the the the inertial

1709
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:38,720
navigation systems

1710
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:41,280
he said that one of his uh techs uh this

1711
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:42,960
technical sergeant was in

1712
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:44,880
um basically a companionway trying to

1713
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:46,880
mess around with with this equipment and

1714
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:48,400
he got a feeling that came over him of

1715
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:49,599
like you know everything's fine

1716
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:51,440
everything's good and you know something

1717
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:53,200
maybe from that was projected from the

1718
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:54,319
uap

1719
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:56,160
so interesting that was very interesting

1720
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:58,559
as well so i i'm you know i don't want

1721
00:59:01,670 --> 00:59:00,240
to say yeah you know they are a threat

1722
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:01,680
or they are there so they are not i just

1723
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:03,520
think that we should kind of like er on

1724
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:06,720
the side of caution because even if you

1725
00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:09,520
take the view that uh they whoever they

1726
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:11,200
are wherever they are from and wherever

1727
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:14,079
they are from maybe um

1728
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:16,640
our benefit are benign it's like it's

1729
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:18,480
still a very very unequal relationship

1730
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:19,680
that they're demonstrating you know it's

1731
00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:21,760
basically a demonstration of force isn't

1732
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:23,440
it so you know we we have this ability

1733
00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:25,040
to completely shut you down or to start

1734
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:27,359
your news right um you know to mess with

1735
00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:28,799
your communications and to jam your

1736
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:29,920
radars

1737
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:31,200
yeah um

1738
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:33,200
and we're not exactly uh future

1739
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:34,960
predictors so

1740
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:37,200
that is kind of a threat because he just

1741
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:39,119
because he because he don't know and

1742
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:40,799
right we base our actions off of our

1743
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:42,720
knowledge uh yeah

1744
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:44,880
and for instance of bob solis case just

1745
00:59:48,069 --> 00:59:46,559
that one instance he talked about of

1746
00:59:50,710 --> 00:59:48,079
where the guy got scared started running

1747
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:50,720
up the fence that's dangerous not

1748
00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:52,319
because he fell and hurt himself but

1749
00:59:56,309 --> 00:59:54,960
because that changes his decision-making

1750
00:59:58,710 --> 00:59:56,319
capabilities

1751
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:58,720
you know yeah when that much fear you

1752
01:00:03,270 --> 01:00:00,480
know takes over you

1753
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:03,280
um so it i think lou always kind of hits

1754
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:04,720
it right on the head as far as the

1755
01:00:09,430 --> 01:00:07,680
threat thing goes it's it's not that

1756
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:09,440
i'm he's saying

1757
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:10,799
you know um

1758
01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:11,599
that

1759
01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:14,559
they are a threat on purpose you know it

1760
01:00:19,910 --> 01:00:17,359
could be the case where it's a byproduct

1761
01:00:21,430 --> 01:00:19,920
type of thing you know yeah or just kind

1762
01:00:23,270 --> 01:00:21,440
of maybe you know indifferent or maybe

1763
01:00:25,109 --> 01:00:23,280
slightly careless because they are so

1764
01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:25,119
advanced right um but i think the other

1765
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:27,359
way of looking as well if you were if we

1766
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:29,359
are sharing the earth with

1767
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:31,440
i don't know like ultra terrestrials or

1768
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:33,520
you know some race that's living

1769
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:35,680
underground or in the sea or if you're

1770
01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:36,480
talking about whether it's

1771
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:37,839
extraterrestrials i mean if you're

1772
01:00:42,150 --> 01:00:39,599
looking at humans how quickly that we've

1773
01:00:44,069 --> 01:00:42,160
advanced and really how kind of evil we

1774
01:00:45,910 --> 01:00:44,079
really are to each other and to other

1775
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:45,920
species and what we do to the planet and

1776
01:00:49,030 --> 01:00:47,599
then like now we're going into space and

1777
01:00:50,950 --> 01:00:49,040
we've split the atom and we're

1778
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:50,960
developing like you know airborne lasers

1779
01:00:55,109 --> 01:00:52,880
and you know all the rest of it but you

1780
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:55,119
know we could commit genocide on our own

1781
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:57,040
species what can we not be trusted to do

1782
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:58,400
to other people

1783
01:01:02,390 --> 01:01:00,799
yeah and i think i'm not sure where i

1784
01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:02,400
read it too but i only read like

1785
01:01:07,510 --> 01:01:04,720
official documents so it's probably it's

1786
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:07,520
probably official um the the worry is

1787
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:09,359
too is the technology to put those

1788
01:01:14,150 --> 01:01:11,680
things in space is um a lot less

1789
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:14,160
expensive and easier to do for a

1790
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:16,559
non-state actor like a north korea or

1791
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:18,240
you know god forbid a terrorist or

1792
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:21,359
something versus like a nuclear weapon

1793
01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:23,760
which takes a lot more effort and

1794
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:26,960
resources to put together so the

1795
01:01:31,030 --> 01:01:29,359
possibility of some sort of catastrophe

1796
01:01:33,030 --> 01:01:31,040
if you're wiping out someone's electric

1797
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:33,040
grid isn't that much more attainable

1798
01:01:37,349 --> 01:01:34,880
that's the scary part

1799
01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:37,359
yeah i'm told by one source i speak to a

1800
01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:39,440
scientist that very much it's a concern

1801
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:41,440
about releasing you know the aspects of

1802
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:42,720
free energy because it's actually

1803
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:45,280
relatively simple they tell they tell me

1804
01:01:47,829 --> 01:01:46,559
not for me but they tell me it's

1805
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:47,839
relatively simple once you know how to

1806
01:01:51,510 --> 01:01:49,920
do it and if you had a you know a

1807
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:51,520
terrorist group like hezbollah like a

1808
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:52,960
transnational

1809
01:01:56,470 --> 01:01:55,200
international narco and terror group

1810
01:01:58,710 --> 01:01:56,480
that's got you know billions and

1811
01:02:01,109 --> 01:01:58,720
resources and is used to smuggling um

1812
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:01,119
you know prohibited items for uh you

1813
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:02,640
know the iranian nuclear program like

1814
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:03,839
you know they can get hold of scientists

1815
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:10,069
and that yeah that's super scary and

1816
01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:12,000
whatever it is i'm sure

1817
01:02:18,829 --> 01:02:15,200
it has to do with the geomagnetic energy

1818
01:02:21,430 --> 01:02:18,839
that's constantly flowing from our

1819
01:02:24,230 --> 01:02:21,440
earth i wouldn't know but that's just a

1820
01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:24,240
guess as a wild guess

1821
01:02:30,710 --> 01:02:26,720
uh it's an actual source i believe yeah

1822
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:30,720
yeah yep um so with that being said

1823
01:02:33,349 --> 01:02:32,160
had a great talk with you again i hope

1824
01:02:34,870 --> 01:02:33,359
you come back

1825
01:02:35,670 --> 01:02:34,880
thank you very much i appreciate it very

1826
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:35,680
much

1827
01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:37,200
yeah i look forward to getting uh

1828
01:02:41,589 --> 01:02:39,119
getting to know you more and

1829
01:02:43,589 --> 01:02:41,599
going a little farther next time so

1830
01:02:46,309 --> 01:02:43,599
fantastic thanks very much

1831
01:02:49,589 --> 01:02:46,319
yeah you take care

1832
01:02:56,549 --> 01:02:52,069
all right that was great that was a

1833
01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:56,559
great first gig with mr frank milburn

1834
01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:57,520
um

1835
01:03:03,990 --> 01:02:59,920
we had a great talk

1836
01:03:09,589 --> 01:03:06,870
and i had a great time

1837
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:09,599
but today i was up at like 2 a.m and

1838
01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:11,280
couldn't fall back asleep

1839
01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:16,789
um

1840
01:03:19,829 --> 01:03:17,680
but

1841
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:19,839
i do

1842
01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:21,280
let me say what's up to everybody too

1843
01:03:27,109 --> 01:03:24,400
jonathan davies what's up robert cowford

1844
01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:27,119
uh james warro

1845
01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:30,480
christian diesel girl surf psych darren

1846
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:33,200
playing what's happening um

1847
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:35,280
edmondstar07

1848
01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:37,920
lara always a pleasure

1849
01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:39,920
saw disclosure team up there what's up

1850
01:03:43,829 --> 01:03:42,480
bro i wanted to mention his actually way

1851
01:03:46,309 --> 01:03:43,839
of looking at the thread thing where

1852
01:03:47,589 --> 01:03:46,319
it's um you know it's like us walking

1853
01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:47,599
down the sidewalk there's a bunch of

1854
01:03:50,309 --> 01:03:48,880
ants

1855
01:03:52,710 --> 01:03:50,319
you don't know what you're what you're

1856
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:52,720
killing does that mean we're a threat

1857
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:55,680
you know that was um

1858
01:03:58,549 --> 01:03:57,599
that's a pretty good uh

1859
01:04:01,910 --> 01:03:58,559
way to

1860
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:01,920
look at it for sure i like that

1861
01:04:06,630 --> 01:04:04,319
anybody i missed i'm sorry

1862
01:04:10,309 --> 01:04:06,640
i'm going to

1863
01:04:14,309 --> 01:04:10,319
renee cruz awesome what's up

1864
01:04:16,630 --> 01:04:14,319
and avril dr sharma what's up

1865
01:04:18,870 --> 01:04:16,640
uh pinezer

1866
01:04:20,230 --> 01:04:18,880
everybody appreciate you

1867
01:04:21,270 --> 01:04:20,240
i'm gonna go get some rest i'm gonna

1868
01:04:24,870 --> 01:04:21,280
play this

1869
01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:24,880
new song before i ditch out i must be

1870
01:04:28,799 --> 01:04:33,430
like i'm while dreaming

1871
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:38,069
and how is it supposed to be

1872
01:04:38,079 --> 01:04:42,870
when an unknown is right next to me

1873
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:47,510
practically oblivious

1874
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:51,990
no time so let's get with it

1875
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:56,549
announcing anomaly

1876
01:05:02,390 --> 01:04:58,789
magnetic deception is

1877
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:07,190
and it can be a mess

1878
01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:10,230
without living in progress

1879
01:05:14,150 --> 01:05:12,480
i'm not the keeper

1880
01:05:21,109 --> 01:05:14,160
i'm just going deeper

1881
01:05:25,670 --> 01:05:21,119
[Music]

1882
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:30,230
it'll be my time to try

1883
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:34,470
and as the planes fly by so vicious

1884
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:43,029
magnetic deception

1885
01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:48,789
you rather be left

1886
01:05:56,950 --> 01:05:50,710
when the days fly

1887
01:05:59,340 --> 01:05:56,960
[Music]

1888
01:06:01,190 --> 01:05:59,350
it's a perfect time to unwind

1889
01:06:05,829 --> 01:06:01,200
[Music]

1890
01:06:08,030 --> 01:06:05,839
think about what it's like when you die

1891
01:06:15,109 --> 01:06:08,040
yeah i know it's a cypress all right

1892
01:06:21,670 --> 01:06:19,510
excuse me if i don't trust what you do

1893
01:06:24,549 --> 01:06:21,680
just pass mistakes in red rain and

1894
01:06:28,950 --> 01:06:24,559
acting like a fool

1895
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:34,069
but you don't see tears in my head

1896
01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:38,069
and it can be a mess

1897
01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:42,630
without living in progress

1898
01:06:47,570 --> 01:06:44,789
i'm not the keeper

1899
01:06:54,590 --> 01:06:52,160
[Laughter]

1900
01:06:58,069 --> 01:06:54,600
[Music]

1901
01:07:00,190 --> 01:06:58,079
[Applause]

1902
01:07:02,549 --> 01:07:00,200
it'll be my time to try

1903
01:07:07,190 --> 01:07:02,559
[Music]

1904
01:07:10,870 --> 01:07:07,200
and as the planes fly by so vicious

1905
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:15,430
magnetic deception

1906
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:20,069
you'd rather be left in

1907
01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:24,870
magnetic deception

1908
01:07:41,190 --> 01:07:26,900
forever

1909
01:07:42,010 --> 01:07:41,200
[Music]

1910
01:07:58,069 --> 01:07:42,020
rather

1911
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:01,589
as the days fly by

1912
01:08:13,510 --> 01:08:04,130
it's my time to try